Travis De Jong is Director of Technology development at CQ Medical where they are a global leader in patient radiotherapy positioning and healthcare innovations. Travis’s background includes expertise in Medical Devices, Product Development, Failure Mode and Effects Analysis (FMEA), SolidWorks, and Composites.
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Travis De Jong is Director of Technology development at CQ Medical where they are a global leader in patient radiotherapy positioning and healthcare innovations. Travis’s background includes expertise in Medical Devices, Product Development, Failure Mode and Effects Analysis (FMEA), SolidWorks, and Composites.
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The Being An Engineer podcast is a repository for industry knowledge and a tool through which engineers learn about and connect with relevant companies, technologies, people resources, and opportunities. We feature successful mechanical engineers and interview engineers who are passionate about their work and who made a great impact on the engineering community.
The Being An Engineer podcast is brought to you by Pipeline Design & Engineering. Pipeline partners with medical & other device engineering teams who need turnkey equipment such as cycle test machines, custom test fixtures, automation equipment, assembly jigs, inspection stations and more. You can find us on the web at www.teampipeline.us
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Travis De Jong:Yeah, you know, a couple of things for me that I think standout or are one is really a curiosity and openness to learning. You know, generally engineers have that right. And so if you want to be a leader in a technical space, that's a good place to start.
Aaron Moncur:Hello, and welcome to the being an engineer Podcast. Today we're speaking with Travis De Jong, who is director of technology development at CQ medical, where they are a global leader in patient radiotherapy positioning and healthcare innovations. Travis, his background includes expertise in medical devices, product development, Failure Mode and Effects Analysis SolidWorks, and composites. Travis, thank you so much for being with us on the show today.
Travis De Jong:Absolutely. My pleasure.
Aaron Moncur:All right. So what made you decide to be an engineer?
Travis De Jong:That's always a great question. You know, pretty typical, probably, I enjoyed math and science growing up and trying to understand how things worked. You know, I think a lot of us probably started that way. And then in high school, I had a science fair project and was able to go to the International Science and Engineering Fair. And that kind of book to me. So once you have that opportunity, it really kept me down that path. And I just kept going on it. And it was really enjoyable to go through school and and learning all those says,
Aaron Moncur:Nice. Do you remember anything you saw in particular at that fair, that kind of convinced you Oh, yeah, this, this is where I want to be.
Travis De Jong:I think it was really cool. Like, so as a senior in high school, you're there with a bunch of other high school kids that are coming up with a meaning face. And I was just, it was really, you know, I didn't feel like I belonged, honestly, with the project that we had, was a friend and I but but what what everybody was doing is really interesting. And there's just so much cool stuff out there that you can do with an engineering background, and really kind of taking what you learn in science and math and applying that to the real world. So yeah, that that was that was really neat. There was the Human Genome Project was pretty big at that time, actually. And that's one of the things I remember being worked on. So really interesting.
Aaron Moncur:I'm curious, when you got your first engineering job and actually started doing the day to day of, you know, what an engineer does? Did you think to yourself, yeah, this is what I had in mind as I was going through school to become an engineer, or was it different in any way than what you had expected?
Travis De Jong:I would say probably a little of both. So you know, one of the things I always think of is, as you go through college, whether you it's an undergrad or graduate degree, I mean, you're you're learning how to learn, in a sense. And so I've actually only worked at at this company in my career. And coming in, I had no idea about radiotherapy. It was it was all new to me. And so I had to go and learn as much as I could about about radiation therapy, you know, how it worked, how our products interacted with it, and what we're really trying to do to, you know, help the patient get treated in the best way possible. And so that I didn't really expect, you know, you expect to have some level of knowledge coming out, coming out of college. And I felt like I needed to start from scratch in a lot of ways. So, that would that was surprising to me. And then yeah, some of the as you get into some of the calculations and the work around designing product. I think that felt a little more familiar than
Aaron Moncur:Yeah, yeah. Can you talk a little bit about what it is you do the radiotherapy, CQ medical what what's your focus there?
Travis De Jong:Yeah, so our focus is patient positioning for for radiation therapy, which means we're making everything from the table that a patient lays on to anything that's holding them in position while they get treated. And so for radiation therapy, what they're doing is they're targeting a tumor and trying to minimize the impact to healthy tissue around the tumor as it's treated. And our product or is really intended to help with that. So it keeps them in position, and a patient's going to come back, you know that it can vary, but but typically 30 times for their treatment. And so we want them to be in almost the same position every time, or as close as we can, because it helps the, you know, the clinic, get the patient through and make sure they're in position, and then get the treatment done as effectively as possible. Perfect,
Aaron Moncur:thank you. So you are a director there, or the director, which is, you know, that's a pretty big position, a director level, and I'm sure there are people listening to this episode thinking, you know, someday, that's what I would like to do. I would like to be at a director level engineering position. Can you talk a little bit about how did you get there? What do you think some of the most important factors have been? For you the Achieving this position?
Travis De Jong:Yeah, you know, a couple of things for me that I think stand out or are one is really a curiosity and openness to learning. And I talked about that earlier, I think, you know, generally engineers have that right. And, and so if you want to be a leader in a technical space, that's a good place to start. And, you know, as my career progressed, I found myself. Yeah, I think, carrying about more interested in the bigger picture, probably, first of all, like, the little more strategy and some of those things, but also just caring about people and wanting them to grow and helping those around me be better. So at that, at one point, I kind of reevaluated where I was, and I had to make a decision, do I want to continue down on a technical path? Do I want to be a project manager at a kind of was a, you know, I was interested in both of those things. And the exposure I'd had, and this was sort of a middle road. But but also let me like I said, you know, help others grow, too. And that's, that's something that's kind of been instilled in me, from an early age. My parents are both teachers. And so I think that it kind of rubbed off on me.
Aaron Moncur:I know what you mean, my parents were both teachers as well. And looking back, I really appreciate actually a lot of the lessons that I learned having educators as parents, as you have gone through your journey into leadership. Has there ever been a time where you felt like maybe there was some impostor syndrome? Like, oh, why am I here? I don't I don't deserve this and anything like that? This
Travis De Jong:question made me laugh a little bit, because I think if you remember my response to you, and you asked if I was available for a podcast, I told you, I wasn't sure I had anything to share.
Aaron Moncur:which most people say by the head that is, that is common answer. And it's usually wrong. Please, go ahead.
Travis De Jong:Yeah, I think you definitely have that feeling. And in you know, I think about I actually listened to a few of the podcasts like I mentioned earlier, the the one where you talk with Andy wells, hits me where he is awful lot about humility. And I think humility is really important. Sometimes that comes with with the potential to fill that impostor syndrome. And so finding that that place where you're confident in the things, you know, that you're open to learning and growing in, in areas where you're less comfortable, or, or don't know, as well, and I think that's, that's kind of how I try to try to deal with it is going to that curious place. There's always somebody that that knows more than me. Yeah, in any area. And so I can learn from them and and we're gonna get a better solution. If if I can work with the best and, you know, being able to do that. I just go back to that. Like, we're improving things for people we're growing. We're making better product. If I'm working with people that are that are smarter than me and better than me.
Aaron Moncur:At what Steve Jobs say we don't hire smart people to tell them what to do. We hire smart people so they can tell us what to do. Exactly, exactly. It I love that you mentioned Andy's episode that is one of my favorite all time episodes where we're well over 200 episodes now that is just, I don't know, maybe number one or two To listen to this episode first everyone for sure. But then if you haven't, go check out Andy wells episode what an inspiring message he had.
Travis De Jong:Yeah, that was that was a great episode.
Aaron Moncur:Yeah, what what? What kind of trends are you seeing in the medical device industry these days? Whether it's something about manufacturing or costs or materials or processes, what kind of patterns? Are you seeing emerge?
Travis De Jong:Yeah, there's a few things. I think additive manufacturing certainly is a big, a big aspect. And, you know, those additive manufacturing companies are starting to focus more and more on some of the requirements for medical, you see that that happening quite a bit. You know, biocompatibility, for instance, is a is a challenge and our stuff is, is not that, that bad. I mean, it's limited duration contacts, so the patients just laying on it, or it's touching their skin. But it you know, there are challenges with that. And additive manufacturing, brings some other challenges into it, whether you're using kind of virgin material or recycled material, and some of those type of things make it harder to test through that. But But I think there's a big focus on additive manufacturing, and what it can do for the medical industry, ways to bring costs down on on lower lower volume product and things like that. So I think that's one of the trends that I definitely see. And then AI continues to be a big, a big area of discussion. And whether that's something you're doing within within your company, or if your your partners in the medical industry are doing that, evaluating what that means for you. And what that means to the products that you have. Is is going to be something that that's that you've got to be thinking about in in the next few years share.
Aaron Moncur:Has CQ medical started incorporating much additive manufacturing into their products yet, or is it still kind of exploratory?
Travis De Jong:Yeah, I would say we've got a number of products that do you utilize Matt additive manufacturing? Not it's not widely used yet. But we continue to do testing and look for ways to implement that where it makes sense.
Aaron Moncur:Nice. As you have worked with different engineers over the years, what what are some of the traits that you've seen? Are the behaviors or habits that are present in the best engineers? And then if if it's a different answer, the same question, but with regard to engineering teams? Sure.
Travis De Jong:I'm gonna sound like a broken record. But it's, it's that curiosity and willingness to learn, like I just, I think that having that as part of this part of what you do and who you are, will open up doors for you that that are not there, if you're not willing to, to be curious and ask those questions. And, you know, sometimes we think engineers can feel like we're supposed to know, you know, we come out of school, or we've got the experience, and we're supposed to know, a lot of the answers, but there's a lot of things that I haven't I haven't dealt with, I haven't experienced I haven't worked on. And then there's so much to learn. And so being able to do that, I think those are the those are the really successful people are the ones that ask those questions. And then communication is such a huge aspect of it as well. And I think, you know, that's a really soft skill for, for an engineer to to look at, but being able to communicate, whether it be with team members, with other people in your company, or the partner site are working with vendors, OEM, like that is a huge, a huge piece of being able to understand what what is needed and developing a product. So I think I think that's the other thing. And then yeah, ties into collaboration with with anybody that you're working with. So you can understand the needs.
Aaron Moncur:Are there are there areas of communication where you've seen breakdowns more frequently than than other areas, whether it's between like, specific roles or in certain contexts or environments, anything like that, that comes to mind?
Travis De Jong:One of the things that, that I talked about with with the teams here a lot is we tend to make assumptions, and lots of them, whether it's because you've worked with somebody for a long time, or you're you've done a lot of projects here. There's a lot of assumptions that can be made and that that others might not go to and so if you Have a new engineer, for instance, he doesn't have those assumptions built in. And we've got to communicate those to really help them understand what the project looks like. So I think that's part of it. And then, you know, as we get to, with with the pandemic, especially as you go to more hybrid work or remote work, just a willingness to stop pick up a phone anymore, but hop on teams, or zoom, or whatever it is, I think you can have such a much better conversation with somebody in that way, rather than trying to email or instant message, there's just kind of a different level of energy that you get from seeing a person face to face or talking on the phone. And being willing to do that, and, and take a little time out of your day to talk to somebody that way. Will will probably benefit you greatly in whatever you're trying to accomplish.
Aaron Moncur:Yeah, I agree. It's so easy nowadays, to hop on the team's call. Right? It requires very little effort. In fact, I'd say it's easier than typing a method.
Travis De Jong:A lot of times I agree. Yeah.
Aaron Moncur:What are the most valuable technical skills that you want to see? And your engineering teams? And do you think that you're seeing enough of those skills?
Travis De Jong:Yeah, obviously, you know, a really good understanding of, of the math and science coming out of school and being able to, you know, do the calculations, and and then really tying that to the real world. I think, depending on, on the education that you've had, you may have had different levels of that. And so being able to practically understand what, what some of those calculations mean, and where there might be, there might be differences, right? What are the assumptions you're making that might be wrong, or that might impact the results of, of what you're expecting. And so really, that connection of, of the theory that you've learned to practice is a huge piece. And I think that's, that's what I want to see in, in the design team. So that's what I want to see as they work through it. And then critical thinking through problems that come up, because we're going to run into those things aren't going to go the way you expect. And you have to be able to take that on and and walk through what's going on and ask the right questions.
Aaron Moncur:I think the practicals experience is so so critical. And important, I like to say that doing is better than learning about doing. Of course, we need to learn, right, to some extent, and then we need to start doing there's a an individual, I know who he's really good with CAD, but he doesn't have the experience of a product designer, and not a whole lot of mechanical aptitude, arguably. And so even though he knows CAD really well, he knows where all the buttons are, he can create some really nice looking shapes, he struggles when it comes to actually designing something that's going to be manufactured or that can be assembled easily that's going to be cost effective. So that that practical experience is so critical, I think and you know that the only way to get it is to actually go out and do something. Yeah,
Travis De Jong:I remember one of the first parts I had design work on and just kind of, you know, I learned a lot. You bring that back to the manufacturing guys, and they kind of look at you like
Aaron Moncur:Oh, that's good. Is that Yeah,
Travis De Jong:I can't do this. Right. But yeah, and yeah, there's there's a lot to learn, depending on how things are being manufactured. Right. There's something different processes, but just being introduced to those and being learning to talk to the guys making the stuff right, I think that's, that's really educational as well, and and exposing yourself to to those type of things is going to make you a better designer in the long run.
Aaron Moncur:Definitely. Yeah, and of course, there are plenty of disciplines within engineering. My background is a lot heavier on the design than some of the other options out there. So that's what I tend to talk about a lot. Sometimes people ask me, How can I get that experience? If that's not what I'm doing it my job, my role is focused on something else, maybe that's what I want to be doing. But I just don't have the opportunities to do that. How can I get that experience? Or if it's a student, right, that is still finishing up school hasn't even entered the workforce yet. And I think one of the greatest things that a person can do an engineer can do to develop those skills understanding and you factoring and design is just to go out and get some cheap products. I mean, go to Goodwill or something and find some plastic injection molded housings. Take them apart, see how they work inside. You can find some cool stuff that's you know, pretty cheap, and, and then even start modeling some of those parts. try to recreate the assembly in CAD. And there probably will be features or aspects that you don't understand. And that's fine, identify them, and then approach a more seasoned engineer and say, Hey, I noticed this thing, but I don't understand why why why would they do that? What do you think and, and getting feedback like that? I think that's a pretty inexpensive and effective way to get some really good practical experience. Yeah,
Travis De Jong:I think that makes a lot of sense. And I would even try to kill I mean, YouTube's a great resource, honestly, if you want to see if and what something being machined looks like something being printed looks like something being injection molded looks like I mean, I think that helps wrap your head around some of the some of the constraints that each manufacturing process as and then yeah, that in conjunction with having your hands on something like he said, I think there are ways to learn without working in a machine shop or working in a in an injection molding factory. There's some opportunities out there that that young engineers can take and really take the initiative. Yeah,
Aaron Moncur:absolutely. Well, let me take a quick break share that our company pipeline design and engineering develops new and innovative manufacturing processes for complex products, then implements them into manual fixtures, or fully automated machines to dramatically reduce production costs and produce produce improved production yields for OEMs. Today, we're speaking with Travis de Yong. Travis, what are some of the biggest obstacles or challenges that you face as an engineering leader in the medical device? Space?
Travis De Jong:Yeah, we're, we're kind of a small company, I would say. So we're doing a lot of different things, every everybody does a lot of different things. And, and I think keeping teams focus is one of the challenges honestly, we really need to we rely on on our cross functional teams, quality manufacturing, engineering, design, engineering, you know, they're all They're all interacting on a regular basis. And we all have our own, you know, everybody has their own projects that they want to get done. And so how do we work together? How do we stay focused, and when problems arise? How are you sort of triage those in in the way that we need to, to keep people focused and, and the product that we want to develop moving forward. That's, that's one of the big challenges, it's easy to get distracted the hum. I think, especially
Aaron Moncur:any pro tips that you have been able to learn or identify over the years about how to stay focused on something and avoid those distractions.
Travis De Jong:You know, setting time aside, I think everybody has full calendars and looking for ways to create working time is, is really important. So you know, whether you're working from home or working in the office, finding a place to focus when you need to do that, that deep work is, is really important. And you know, I get to do less and less of it. As a leader, less of that design work, but But I think being able to set aside time and and be in a place that's less distracted. So turn off email or shut down in teams, and give yourself an hour or two hours to really, really do that focused work. And don't let yourself get distracted. Put your phone away, right. I mean, my kids are always on their phone, and it's late having you stay Have you concentrate on anything? So yeah, I
Aaron Moncur:don't think they do. I know that your kids but but my kids don't either. How about the medical device industry at large? What are some of the the challenges that you see facing the medical device industry these days?
Travis De Jong:It seems like we get to continue dealing with increasing regulations. And that, that just becomes more and more challenging. So you know, countries, European Union, US work wherever you're selling product has their own set of regulations, and those are important. But it seems to get more and more cumbersome. It has time goes along and kill it that that hurts efficiencies a little bit. It drives costs up but it increases overhead. We need to do the right thing. And there needs to be things in place to do that. But hopefully, it's not. It's not just regulations for the sake of regulations. And sometimes it feels that way.
Aaron Moncur:Understandable within the the regulatory environment, are there. Is there any area in particular that you feel like is that's maybe going a little bit too far?
Travis De Jong:Yeah, I mean, I mean That's hard to say I think, you know, each each country tries to tries to come up with with their own names, and some of its some of its protecting themselves, some of its trying to give companies internal those countries and advantage. And I think that can that can be a little bit damaging, you know, I think if you want to have sort of a global environment in healthcare and and access for, for everybody, you know, is there a consolidation of some of these regulations that can happen? seems unlikely? I think it's not, you know, the EU is a is a decent example of of being able to do that. But, yeah, you know, how do you how do you bring that together? How do you build? How do you allow some efficiencies for for the medical device manufacturers? Again, we don't want dangerous products, you know, of product that's going to hurt people, that's the opposite of what we're trying to do. But finding that balance is is a challenge?
Aaron Moncur:Well, that answer might feed into the answer for the next question here. So me, I may have anchored you too strongly. Maybe I should mix up the order. I'll just I'll go go ahead with it. What, what's a tool that if it existed, would allow your team to be you know, 10 times more productive, whether it's faster, better quality, better communication, whatever it is, and this tool does not need to be within the realms of known physics, it can be, you know, anything that that you think would be just able to dramatically increase your team's effectiveness for productivity.
Travis De Jong:Alright, yeah. So, you know, as we talk about regulations, I think one of the one of those things is can we can we be more consolidated? What if there was, you know, just a couple or one, one overall regulatory certain sort of oversight, and hence, we could be more efficient that way. The other one that I that I have here that as I was preparing was a little bit more fun. I put teleportation because, you know, so being present for things getting your hands on things we talked about earlier, being able to do that out at at low cost, and with low time commitment would be fantastic. Whether you're teleporting people or or product, I think that'd be that'd be a really helpful tool to, to accelerate development.
Aaron Moncur:I love that I laughed a little bit, because as I was trying to get that question out, that was one of the examples that came to mind. But Uh huh. Now, I'm not going to say that. And then you said that this is perfect. Teleportation? That's great. Okay. If you had no limits on your resources, time, money, whatever it was, what is what is the one thing that you would do for your company to help it achieve its business goals? Yeah, this
Travis De Jong:is this is an interesting question. I think it's looking at how we, how we better and more efficiently train, you know, train our technical people train our technical resources. And, you know, how do we do it quickly? How do we do it and get them up to speed? I think that's, that's always a challenge you, you want people to hit the ground running. But that's hard to do. And, and training takes time, right? I mean, you know, we've got to have, we've got to have our engineers train other engineers. And that's, that's really important. We want to do that well, and, and make sure that people can be successful as they come on board. You know, the those resources, the human resources are, are a big part of what we do. And so to be able to train them, train them efficiently and effectively, is really important. And I think I'll never have enough time to do that. So
Aaron Moncur:I really liked that answer. We we have pipeline are doing a volunteer program called CAD club right now, where we open our doors to students in the area who want to learn a little bit about engineering and CAD, and it's it's middle school kids and high school kids. And it's been really rewarding to watch these kids learn some some cad skills, you know, they're to the point now where they can actually at least put together some shapes, right? They don't have a ton of experience, but they can put together some shapes and some design some simple products. And our vision for this is to take it to a point where we have multiple levels of of courses, so kind of a beginner, intermediate advanced and once they pass the advanced course, then they really do have some legitimate basic But legitimate engineering skills in terms of CAD, maybe putting together some drawings, some simple assembly work, things like that. And then the goal is to start placing them as interns at local engineering companies. And the hope is that we do exactly what it is you're talking about, right? We we start getting these engineers trained earlier on. So it's not like, Okay, I graduated college, I have zero experience whatsoever, the real world, you know, pay me my salary, and let's do this. But they actually come to their first job with some some practical experience. So I'm right there with you on that one. I think that's super important.
Travis De Jong:Oh, that's cool. That sounds like a great program. I mean, just getting kids involved early on just even letting them see what it what it's like a little bit, and whether that's something they're interested in or not, right? I mean, yeah, yeah, you have to be pretty committed, if you want to be an engineer, as you as you head to school. And if you you know, like, it can be pretty rough. So yeah, I think it's giving them the opportunity to see that as is great. Yeah.
Aaron Moncur:How do you see the the future of medical devices changing in the US over the next five years? Well, we talked
Travis De Jong:about a little bit before I think AI is, is still going to be just such a huge thing, and what that means for for each part of the industry, you know, and how we can use it effectively, efficiently, safely. You know, there's a lot, there's a lot that goes into that if you if you start thinking about, you know, computers, looking at CT scans, or MRIs, and and kind of doing it, you know, early diagnoses, and then and then that being reviewed, you know, how do you do some of those things? How do you take advantage of it and be more effective to help deliver care to more people? And how do you avoid the pitfalls that the ballet brings? So I think that's a huge, huge aspect of where we're headed.
Aaron Moncur:Yeah, anything else come to mind?
Travis De Jong:You know, I think you also see consolidation within the medical device field. So you were part of that a few free combined with another company a year ago. And so as you see that go happening, what what's the impact on that? How does how does that change things? As there are fewer and fewer companies? Are there startups as well, but it does seem like consolidation in general is happening in the in the medical device industry? So yeah, what does that mean for providers as well? Hospitals?
Aaron Moncur:That's a really good question. Something I've thought about is, well, we're we're in the automation space. And there's been a lot of acquisitions of smaller automation companies like ours, I probably get 10 or 12, three, four emails a week from these m&a, you know, firms were looking for, for that expectation. But as that happens, and they become less and less companies, and they're controlled by fewer and fewer, I guess, executive teams, how, how does that start to affect overall pricing in the industry and affordability? And there's a pretty significant trickle down effect, I think in there that remains to be seen how that it's actually going to play out in the end. Yeah,
Travis De Jong:yeah, for sure. It's, it's come in and I, we just have to be. It'll be interesting to see how that shakes out. And hopefully, it's not worse for patients. Yeah,
Aaron Moncur:maybe it ends up being better. You know, who knows? Yeah. keep our fingers crossed. Well, just a one or two more questions here. And then we'll wrap things up specifically within the context of your role as an engineer, even though arguably, you're not doing that much engineering, you know, individual contributor work, but within that role, you'll always be an engineer, what is one thing that frustrates you? And conversely, one thing that brings you joy?
Travis De Jong:I think one of one of the frustrations that gets me is when things get in the way of collaboration. Because I think that that's really how we can, can move forward and be effective. We all have different skill sets, we all have different, different ways that we focus and get work done. And we have to be able to collaborate with each other and when when there are barriers, whatever they may be, and there are lots of them today. It's it's frustrating to see that and and, you know, you spend a lot of time working through those things. So that's probably one of my biggest frustrations what brings me joy, it's it's the flip side of the coin people working together to achieve a common goal. You know, I'm a, I was an athlete kind of growing up, played, you know, playing team sports, and I think that that translates into into any team eating right. So as we as we work together and you accomplish something that that feeling that you and those people around you accomplish that is just so amazing. And I love that awesome.
Aaron Moncur:I'm going to steal this next one from from Tim Ferriss. If you could put anything you wanted on a billboard that all of the engineers in the world we're gonna see, especially those who are considering going into the medical device space, what would that billboard say?
Travis De Jong:Oh, man, that that's a tough one.
Aaron Moncur:Lots of pressure. Yeah,
Travis De Jong:Lots of pressure.
Aaron Moncur:How about this? What are what's what's one of the things that billboard might say doesn't have to be the thing?
Travis De Jong:I think it's it's to be opened opportunities. And if you see something that interests you, and that you're curious about, go learn about it. We'll find out about it. Terrific.
Aaron Moncur:Great. All right. Well, Travis, this has been a delight. Thank you so much for spending some time with me. And you absolutely did have a lot to share. That question is answered definitively. How can people get in touch with you? Yeah.
Travis De Jong:Appreciate the opportunity here. And it's it's been fun. I've enjoyed it. Yeah, well, you know, on LinkedIn, you can find me, Travis De Jong. CQ Medical is the company. And feel free to reach out to me on there.
Aaron Moncur:Awesome. All right. Well, Travis, thank you so much for being on the show today.
Travis De Jong:Yeah, appreciate it. Thanks, Aaron.
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